The new NPC project for BG2 - the crazy Blair Dress
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Autor</th> <th class="thCornerR">Wiadomość</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>aaa4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pon 16:52, 20 Mar 2017<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">i spoko</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jenova</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 16:38, 30 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: Re: To do list.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Alatariel napisał:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">4) Find a temporary portrait for him. </span>(so we have something to drool on while writing) <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I could help you with that. I have a portrait for an old and long-dead project of my own that should fit Dres'Morlin well. Of no, you could just give me a base picture and let me play with it in photoshop (or tell me what you are looking for and I will find something) <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>miss misery alias tennyo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 23:01, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">oh yes, happy ending post mortem, but somehow i dont think that dre will be a case <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> <br /> <br />but maybe lets not start with flirts, for i think its manner and style would depend on a whole romance character, and as it may change gradually as we've just said, it'd be better to write lovetalks (or just a projects and schemes of these) and the flirst will follow</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Alatariel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:54, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Why, yes, you got that perfectly! XD <br /> <br />Though that depends on how do you view 'happy' :> Nah, I think everything would actually end fine. Well, better than in Xan romance.. though that is a happy ending too. In a manner.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>miss misery alias tennyo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:50, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">yup, i think we should give evil pc's a chance as well. <br />but well, lets put it this way: at first, he is a proud idiot, big-headed and thinking charname not worthy of him. then, he is still an idiot, but falling for her beautiful eyes and surprisingly high charisma. then he is still an idiot for some time, but eventually he comes to his senses and we got a bit of happy end. right?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Alatariel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:45, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well, I don't think he would even think of Charname in this category. He would tell you of his life plans (see above), in one of talks, if you asked, perhaps, but he woud not will himself to fall for someone like Charname - that much is sure. However, like we all know, love will have nothing of reason - and he eventually would fall in love, without even noticing how and why. And Charisma would be essencial in this. <br />And if we were to look at 'bringing glory' in that light - Charname is beautiful (high char.) and is a famous hero (see: your adventures in BG1, and even the ones you would have with him in the party), so she would be a valuable price for any house anyway. Though if we state that this way we should probably think of putting you reputation/alignment into requirments <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_neutral.gif" alt="Neutral" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Would he romance an evil pc? Golden elves are evil more often than other subraces, I think, and even in house Durothil there are evil characters - so that shoudln't rebvolt him for as long as Charname is evil and sane/cunning. Hm. Dunno <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_neutral.gif" alt="Neutral" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>miss misery alias tennyo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:34, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Tssk. What a repulsing guy xD <br />but that is a small incoherency; if he marries willing to bring more glory to his almighthy house, then i think intelligence and wisdom should matter as much as charm. he wouldnt want his offspring to intherit poor brains <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Alatariel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:26, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No, rather, "I am an Ar'Tel'Quessir Lord, I marry to have children and bring more glory to my ancient House; love is irrelevant". <br /> <br /><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>miss misery alias tennyo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:14, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">yes i know, it would be wise to log in before i post something <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Gość</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:13, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Alatariel napisał:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> Also, some of his... ideas... of romantic relationship may be considered controversial. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />xD what ideas do you exactly mean? attitude like "you're my girlfriend, wash my shoes off and do whatever i tell you"? <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt="Mr. Green" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Alatariel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 22:02, 29 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Comments to point 3? Here you are... <br /> <br />Firstly - how many love/friendtalks do we want to have? Does a full number of 30/15 satysfies you for the time being? Secondly - I think we should have 3 kind of flirts - early (from the 1st love talk to Spellhold), medium (Spellhold - end of SOA), and late (TOB). I agree with his romance being completed only if his personal quest is done before departing to Brynlaw - actually, I think that he would left your party if you tried to set off before completing it. <br />As for his romance starting before the end of his quest - I would say 'yes', though there would be no chances for it to become, hm, more advanced. There would be some talks (btw: the early lovetalks are usually easy to be mistaken for friendstalks anyway, as they are hardly romantic or sensual), and you can try to flirt with him in a subtle way... He is still a man. Though, of course, his responses won't be always pleasant. <br /> <br />Secondly - if you want to start the writing already MM, you can start by posting all flirt ideas = what would you like to do with him in all 3 phases XD. Another thing is his romance requitments problem - I would say only charisma. He doesn't expect you to be to bright or strong (though, of course, your int MUST be higher than 10, becaue if it is lower, you won't be able to comunicate properly in D&D XD), just charming. Also, some of his... ideas... of romantic relationship may be considered controversial. He will change his mind in this matter, as in many others, later in the game. <br /> <br />And thridly - about Charname's divine roots.. To be honest, I don't think he will be much affected. Well, not much more than Anomen. He is not a philosopher, like Xan, he won't loose his time wondering in what kind of manner would you kill him in his sleep or are you prone to murderous rage - in the beginning he won't really care(as he is only working with you and doesn't plan to *romance* you), and later, when he will start to develop any positive emotions for you, he will know you for a longer time, and will surely notice that you are not a murdering bastard. Well, not much more than any evil murdering bastard, that is (if you are playing evil character XD). <br /> <br /> <br />EDIT: <br />I missed that... <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cytat:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I mean that when he learns who she really is, he doesnt find it repulsing or scary, but rather admirable and powerful (oh, the proud guy xP) , but then, when Irenicus steals her soul, he's not much of a support and care, thinking that weaklings dont deserve the respect and so on? He could change his mind after the Underdark, seeing how brilliant she deals with all those trials ^^</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Um.. that does sound very.. drow-ish )O.o. Though I agree that he won't be a much of help.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>miss misery alias tennyo</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Czw 19:41, 28 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">maybe some ideas on point 3 of our mighty list? friendship & romance? ^^ (i'd gladly take care of that, if Alatariel covers more or less bio and main quest) <br /> <br />as for the romance, i think that it's kinda impossible to even have chance of coming up before soa quest is complete properly. only after his traumatic experience with Trademeet contact (<img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" />) he'd consider idea that even someone as wonderful and perfect as him (^^) needs someone who... oh, you know, im sure (: <br />I think it'd be good if we set it all the way that the romance will start only, if the soa quest is completed before leaving to Spellhold (like it is with Xan). Then, well... what do you think of him getting to know Charname's divine roots and reacting for that not like the others? I mean that when he learns who she really is, he doesnt find it repulsing or scary, but rather admirable and powerful (oh, the proud guy xP) , but then, when Irenicus steals her soul, he's not much of a support and care, thinking that weaklings dont deserve the respect and so on? He could change his mind after the Underdark, seeing how brilliant she deals with all those trials ^^ then we'd have the happy reunion... oh, dont you think it'd be great if Bodhi didnt abduct him in chapter 6, because 'he's way too arrogant and big-headed even for her"? xD she'd say so and that would destroy his pride baaaadly xD <br />that would be main romance path, referring to game's plot, but there would be of course a lot of other lovetalks, which are to be created soon xP <br /> <br />*waiting for comments as well* ^^</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Alatariel</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Śro 23:43, 27 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ok, so, some drafts for the planning of his SOA quest (just proposition; will have to be revised later): <br /> <br />* Meeting place: The Five Flagons Inn first floor, the Bridge District. He would stand in the main room (with the decorations) or in the big room in the end of the hall. <br />* First meeting: <span style="font-style: italic">we must determine his reactions to our band of adventureres (as we know his first *impressions* - and they aren't exactly all moonlight and roses^^), and some basic things like: why should he seek our help in his rather secret quest?</span> <br />* The quest itself: I think it would be good to divide it to few stages: <br />- the first stage will start when you will agree to help him - he will tell you that he is searching for a man - his contact in Athkatla - *insert name here* (we will have to make up that one). The first stage is to find that man. <br />- the second stage - the man in question will demand a proof that Dres is the one who he is supposed to be. In the conversation that will develop between the contact and Dres you will learn more about him and the nature of his quest. Dres's charisma is to low to win the argument, however. You will have three ways to complete that stage - a person with very high charisma and high intelligence may help Dres to persuade the contact. A person with high wisdom may arrange a quest to prove your worth (=bribe the contact). If neither of this is true - you will have to fight the contact. (We will have to discuss the details of all outcomes) <br />- the third stage - if you have avoided the fight, you can extract the information you need by peaceful means. If not, you will have to go on a longer route (more details = have to discuss first). Whatever the choice you will eventually end in... <br />-.. Trademeet. This is the city in which the Durothil agent awaits. The next stage is finding him. (here we must come up with more details) <br />- The last stage is talking to the agent in question. You will just have to start the conversation, and then listen&observe. Congratulation. You have completed the main part of Dres's personal quest. <br />* The quest ending: ..will not be pleasant to our dear Fighter;). More info later. <br />* Reactions to the completion of his quest: we have two categories here - <br />- the NPC reactions - as by the time you will be able to complete this quest your team will have a chance to meet Dres, they will be all but too aware of his faults - mostly arrogance - and probably very prone to taunting him in non-polite manner. <br />- PC's reaction - you will have 4 choices here: <br />A) Ask delicately if something is wrong <br />B) Laugh at him with others <br />C) Try to comfort him instantly (with partonizing) <br />D) Say you don't have time for this <br />The reaction A will result in himmsaying you will talk later - the next rest will trigger the approciate talk <br />The reaction B will kill both friendship and romance - however you may still keep him in the party if the terms of you agreement said that he is to help you with the Irenicus/Imoen matter. (see: the first meeting; to be written, sadly) <br />The reaction C will kill the romance - his pride won't have it. <br />The reaction D is the neutral choice - you won't see the ending talk of his quest like in A, but it won't kill neither friendship nor romance. Everything will be like the matter itself have never existed. <br /> <br />That is the basic proposition for his SOA quest. May be changed in many parts. Now, I would like to have your comments under this;).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Alatariel</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Wto 23:06, 26 Cze 2007<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: To do list.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">First things first - if we want to write an NPC, we must start *somewhere*. There are three obvious things to be done first. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">1) Write Dres'Morlin's bio. </span>(I will give it a shot) <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">2) Plan his quest for SOA. </span>(A mission for the elvendom, yes - but what *exactly* do you propose?) <br />3) <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal">Plan the Friendship&Romance path for SOA. (being quite sure that this project will have one path for both friendship and romance - more linear, yes, but easier to write and code; besides, do we really want to get *that* ambitious? I don't think so. It's only for fun, after all!)</span> <br />Update: <span style="font-weight: bold">plan 30 lovetalks and 16 friendtalks for SOA</span>. <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">4) Find a temporary portrait for him. </span>(so we have something to drool on while writing) <br /> <br />Everything that we agree on having as the officially approved idea will be added to Dressy's FAQ and/or the "Approved parts of the mod" thread <img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" />. As this forum is only known to us anyway, it will be public too - at least for now. <br /> <br />So... Any ideas?<img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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